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DrivePool File Distribution Algorithm

edited March 2011 in DrivePool
Here's an interesting question.

What type of file distribution algorithm do you guys think DrivePool should use across the pooled drives?

Remember this is not a RAID like solution with stripes. It's actually writing real files to NTFS.

Right now, it's very dumb and just picks the drive with the most space to put your file on (or more than one in case of duplication). This is really easy to code and very fast. But is this really the best thing to do?

I can think of a few alternatives, what do you think?

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  • Hi, I would definitely like to know more about your implementation, was wanting to do something like this since DE was canceled but unfortunately do not have the time.  I thought of a couple of ways of doing this
    1. A Landing Area "Master Drive" with a service to move / create symbolic links
    2. File System Driver / File System Filter Driver / MiniFilter Driver
    2 Has the benefit of ensuring (as long as the pool drives are not altered) that all operation go through you code where as with the service /symbolic link method (even if using some sort of FileSystemWatcher) if the service crashes windows will gladly keep shareing and allowing updating of data in the symbolic links, using a driver removes the need for a Master Drive (although a virtual disk drive may be needed to instantiate the file system driver) and will probably allow for higher performance in parallel writes

    as far as the question above, keeping track of which drives are currently being written to and move them to the back of the queue so it will try to write to any non-writing drives first, then return to the writing drive if no other drives can handle it (full, etc)

    this of course assumes that you can redirect writes as they are happening which I have not found a way to do without a driver (although I really didn't look all that long)
  • The current WHS1 algorithm puts new data on the drive with the least free space until a threshold is exceeded. In theory this would keep the contents of directories together, and in practice this behavior is observed.

    Unfortunately, a side effect of this algorithm is to "use up" one drive at a time until it's full, then move on to the next. If you are storing data other than multimedia this is fine as long as folder duplication is enabled.

    What would be my ideal is that files stored to a specific directory be saved to the same drive as long as the drive's "minimum free space threshold" is not reached, but that any new directories be created in the drive with the most free space available. This would tend to equalize the drive storage and yet retain the advantage of keeping the file contents of a directory together.

    As an alternative, you could use a file migrator to "reassemble" a directory's file contents after the fact. What I wouldn't like to see is any master "landing area", as the disadvantages of this algorithm have already been proved to be undesirable.

    -MWS-
  • edited February 2011 Member
    I think the algorithm you're using now is perfect as the default.  It will tend to use up the drives equally, and since most modern architectures provide a separate bus for each SATA port, you get truly parallel speed if the data being pulled is striped across multiple drives.  (I know, it's not striping in the traditional RAID sense, but the same benefit still applies.)  You may want to have a configurable option for one or two other algorithms, possibly a simple plug-in system for writing new ones - drop in a DLL in the right directory, say a specific (or configurable) sub-dir of \\WHS\Software\Add-Ins, and have them automatically show up in the list.  But the one you have should definitely be the default - it's fast, simple (so fewer bug potentials), and it has some nice benefits (potentially faster read/write, and better drive wear statistics).
  • edited February 2011 Covecube
    GregMM,

    #2 is what DrivePool uses, it's a file system driver with a user mode service to assist.

    There is no "Landing Zone". I.e. you do not need a special partition to store symbolic links in one place. If a pooled drive is connected, then the files will be there.

    Parallel writing might not be possible as you suggest because DrivePool keeps the files themselves intact. Ultimately, the files are stored as NTFS files on the pooled drive. This means that even if DrivePool is not working / or your server crashes, you can access your data with any Windows box.

    markshu,

    Interesting approach. How about we modify it slightly and instead of a minimum free space threshold, we have a factor that works like this:

    % Used space on current drive / % Used space on the drive with the least amount of data

    and we set it to, say 10%. This means that as long as the directory already exists on any pooled drive, put the files there. Unless, there is a drive that is "10% less full" (I guess is how you would put it). In that case, put the files there.

    If there are files in multiple folders, then pick the one with the least % used (the one with the most free space).

    Oh boy, I just confused myself.

    I think this would distribute the files in chunks the size of 10% of your drive sizes. It would equalize disk space used, while mostly keeping your files together.

    Thought,

    I was thinking of having multiple algorithms that are user selectable :) But I didn't consider plugins. Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the todo list for later.
  • Awesome glad to here your using method #2, by parallel I did not mean like raid striping, I mean if you keep track of which disks your writing too and I start transferring a large file say FILE A, then start transferring another large file FILE B while A is still transferring, write B to a different drive than A.  The same method could be used for reading (more likely if duplicated) so if Comp1 is reading a file and Comp2 requests a read, Comp2's request should be reading from a different drive than Comp1 (if a duplicate is stored on a different drive than Comp1 is reading from)
  • edited February 2011 Covecube
    GregMM,

    Yes, agreed, that would be great. Perhaps before we hit 1.0 final.
  • Thought,

    You have to be careful on how you define "most free space" when designing a fast, simple pooling algorithm. For instance, if you define it in absolute terms (xxx bytes free), consider the following drive pool: 2 TB, 1.5 TB, 500 GB, 320 GB.

    If folder duplication is enabled for all folders, the first terrabyte of data will be written to the 2 TB drive with the files duplicated on the 1.5 TB drive. This leaves the 2TB with 1TB free and the 1.5 TB with 500 GB free.

    The next 360 GB will be written to the 2 TB drive with the dup files split between the 1.5 TB and the 500 GB drive. This leaves the 2TB with 640 GB free and both the 1.5 TB and 500 GB drives with 320 GB free.

    At this point, it takes another 486 GB before all of the drives have an equal amount of free space left (154 GB each) and all of the data would have been written to the 2 TB drive (with folder dup enabled globally).

    See the problem with unequal drive sizes in the pool? With folder duplication, the vast majority of your data will be written only to the largest drive. Since the two main features of the drive pooling implementation are folder duplication and the ability to use any size drive, using "most free space in bytes" isn't all that desirable. You have to compute the free space using some sort of relative ratio in order to distribute the data across the drives equally.

    The only time "most free space in bytes" works well is if all of the pool drives are near equal in size, and even then you end up with most of the initial data being written to one or two drives.

    -MWS-
  • First and foremost, if this is indeed to be a HOME Server solution, you must make it failure proof in that the thing almost runs itself. Of course, you can't second guess Microsoft, but at the very least, you should be able to control your own product.

    I have friends who aren't even able to run WHS v1, much less WHS 2011 RC.

    Maybe when storage is getting pretty full, a message pops up to tell them to add another drive to their server. Of course, they'll call me, but if and when that message pops up, they're given explicit instructions on what to do next, they may be able to follow through.

    <Go out and get a Western Digital 1 TB drive, bring it home, unpack it, turn off and unplug your computer, open your computer case (most will balk here), blah, blah, etc. Or, ... get an external 1 TB drive, turn off your computer, plug in the drive, blah, blah, etc.>

    The main thing is simplicity. Purely and simply simple! That's the only way WHS is going to fly, Orville.

     

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